"On-the-fly" Relationship Calculation

[jayschex]

Is there a way to turn off the new feature of "on-the-fly" relationship calculation? At first I thought this would be a really nice feature; however, I have a database of 240,000 names and it takes a really long time for the calculation to take place each time I add a name.

For example if I see a relative's obituary in the newspaper and he/she has 11 children (that were not in my database) it will take 1-2 minutes to add the names of all the children or grandchildren. That may not seem like a lot of time but to take a half-hour to input the data of one obituary is not efficient use of my time.

Because I am from South Louisiana we have a large inter-related community where everyone is related to everyone, so one person could be related to another person 1,000 different ways. I think this bogs down Reunion's practical data entry process.

I would (in the past) run the relationship calculator about once a month to have it update to all of the new entries in my file.

So, I'd like to know:

A) how to turn off the "on-the-fly" relationship calculator.

B) If there is now way to turn off "on-the-fly" calculations if we could add that as an option in the next upgrade of Reunion 11?

Sincerely,

Jay Schexnaydre
Thibodaux, Louisiana

[Sue S]

Re: "On-the-fly" Relationship Calculation

This is the same problem I'm having (see my query under Batch Entry). As much as I think I'm going to like Reunion 11, this problem is becoming hateful. My db isn't as large (91,000+ entries) but every one is hand entered. It's taking 10 seconds per entry, whether by batch or otherwise, which is unconscionable.

[Frank]

Re: "On-the-fly" Relationship Calculation

Hi Jay,
This is an interesting problem that didn't appear during the testing phase despite many testers having very large family files. Most likely, the issue is as you described: caused by the particular web of relationships in some family files.

We intend to add a "switch" to disable the "on the fly" calculations when the user feels it's necessary. This will appear in the first free maintenance update.

[Frank]

Re: "On-the-fly" Relationship Calculation

This is the same problem I'm having (see my query under Batch Entry)...

Hi Sue,
This may not be the same problem.
To test this...
1. Show the Relatives sidebar
2. At the top of the Relatives sidebar, click the "Change" button.
3. Click the "Clear Relationships Field" button.
4. Then try the batch entry again and see if the performance is back to normal.
Please let me know what you find.

[Sue S]

Re: "On-the-fly" Relationship Calculation

This sorta worked, and then it created a new problem. First, the new problem: the Clipboard has stopped working (won't highlight when a name is dragged to it). I can open and view the clipboard but I can't add to it; haven't tried taking from it). I've cleared the cache, but I haven't re-booted the PC since I did that yesterday when trying to fix the underlying problem.

The part that isn't so good has to do with clearing out all the 'relatives' as in your instructions. I find I need them back since I often have relations on both sides of the aisle and need the original relationship to find my way back to the one I'm currently working on when I've gone back several generations to clean up something else. Having just the one relationship showing helps me do that. Would definitely welcome an on-off switch for these relationship calc's.

[Frank]

Re: "On-the-fly" Relationship Calculation

...the Clipboard has stopped working (won't highlight when a name is dragged to it). I can open and view the clipboard but I can't add to it...

What are you attempting to drag into the Clipboard (a person's button, a name in a list, etc.)?

[Sue S]

Re: "On-the-fly" Relationship Calculation

What are you attempting to drag into the Clipboard (a person's button, a name in a list, etc.)?

Trying to drag a parent (button, in your parlance, I guess) from the Family View list, and then when that didn't work, tried dragging the same person as a child from the parent. Both of these scenarios worked in R. 10.

[Sue S]

Re: "On-the-fly" Relationship Calculation

Additionally, when attempting to do the drag, the Treetops button highlights.

[Frank]

Re: "On-the-fly" Relationship Calculation

So far, we can't duplicate any problem with dragging people to the Clipboard. So it'd be best to send the family file to help@leisterPro.com and, if the problem doesn't affect everybody, give a few examples in your email where it's not working.

[jayschex]

Re: "On-the-fly" Relationship Calculation

Hi Jay,
This is an interesting problem that didn't appear during the testing phase despite many testers having very large family files. Most likely, the issue is as you described: caused by the particular web of relationships in some family files.

We intend to add a "switch" to disable the "on the fly" calculations when the user feels it's necessary. This will appear in the first free maintenance update.

Thanks, because I have a large number of Acadian ancestors as most of us do in Louisiana it takes 1-2 to minutes per name added to my database to figure out the closest relationship, but if goes through a database of 240,000 names it just takes too long. Each one of those entries I have is sourced and hand-typed over the last 19 years. This is not a "batch entry" or an "import" as someone suggested. I never trust others research. Mine go in one by one.

Thanks to add a switch, hopefully soon.

merci,

Jay Schexnaydre
Thibodaux, LA

PS == downloaded ReuntionTouch app for my iPhone finally after 3-4 days file downloaded, but index won't seem to appear....may be too big of a file for the phone's processor.

[Dennis J. Cunniff]

Re: "On-the-fly" Relationship Calculation

We intend to add a "switch" to disable the "on the fly" calculations when the user feels it's necessary. This will appear in the first free maintenance update.

A work-around in the meantime is to change the source person to someone without many relatives (an island of one, say). I think it's the number of persons in the island that determine the lag, rather than the number of persons in the file.

[jayschex]

Re: "On-the-fly" Relationship Calculation

Dear Frank,

The 11.0.1 fix has resolved my issue by having the "on-the-fly" relationship calculator switch.

Thanks for listening to your customers!

Merci,

Jay Schexnaydre

[clairebettag]

Re: "On-the-fly" Relationship Calculation

Hi, Jay,
I share your need for the switch. Can you tell me how to set it to NOT calculate "on the fly?"

Thanks!
Claire Bettag

[alan]

Re: "On-the-fly" Relationship Calculation

Can you tell me how to set it to NOT calculate "on the fly?"

Hi Claire,
I believe you have to select Relatives in the left sidebar and then go to the right sidebar and click on "change" and in the popup window de-check the "Identify relationships on the fly" button.

Alan

[clairebettag]

Re: "On-the-fly" Relationship Calculation

Thank you, Alan. That works!
Claire