Space for Source Citation Detail

[Junior Waldo]

Good source and citation information in genealogy work requires space. 255 characters is not enough for detail. It forces having detail in separate place or abbreviating, eliminating, etc.

[Mark]

Re: Space for Source Citation Detail

I believe you may misunderstand the intent of the citation detail field in Reunion.

It is not meant as a place to record extensive information. As stated in the manual:

The detail is typically something very succinct and specific, like a page number, that connects a source to a piece of information. Detail is optional. You might think of sources as being more general, and detail as being more specific. For example, a book might be a source. A particular page number in the book would be the detail.

Also, the following FAQ item explains these concepts in more detail, most notably the paragraph "Citations and sources in Reunion."

http://www.leisterpro.com/doc/version11/questions/answers/ftm-anc-1108.php

HTH

[macRBC]

Re: Space for Source Citation Detail

I think you have me confused now that I've read this post regarding source/citation. Could you please elaborate where you'd put each component for the below obituary.

REUNION RECORD:
Muhammad Ali
DEATH: 03 June 2016 Scottsdale, Arizona, USA

Assume I want to add the below to the record:
Jun 8th 2016
The Economist
Obituary: Muhammad Ali, heavyweight boxer
PURE skill was much of it. The brutal delicacy of the ring-craft, so rare in the heavyweight division. Among the lumbering sloggers he dodged and danced, floating like a butterfly, stinging like a bee.

http://www.economist.com/news/obituary/21700356-he-died-june-3rd-aged-74-obituary-muhammad-ali-heavyweight-boxer

[Michael Talibard]

Re: Space for Source Citation Detail

There are many ways, but for what it's worth, here's what I would do. That link to the Economist obituary will work only for a relatively short time, so if I wanted to keep it, I would download the whole text. I would put a text document in the person's multimedia, with a note "obituary in multimedia" showing in Family View. Or equally, you could put that text doc in the multimedia of a source. Hope this helps.

[Mark]

Re: Space for Source Citation Detail

Could you please elaborate where you'd put each component for the below obituary.

I would create a new source of the type Website and place the date (Jun 8th 2016) into the Date field of the source, "The Economist" into the Author field (since there's no specific author mentioned for the obituary I'd just attribute it to the publisher), "Obituary: Muhammad Ali, heavyweight boxer" into the Title field, and the rest of the text that you want into the Free-Form Text field.

I would also use the features of my web browser to create a PDF of the article (since I use Safari, I'd switch to the reader view for this) via File -> Print... , PDF -> Save As PDF... and attach the resulting PDF to the source via the Multimedia tab. In this case I wouldn't make use of the Citation Detail field.

But note, that's just how I would do it - there are other ways to go about it, such as what Michael suggested.

HTH

[thboyd]

Re: Space for Source Citation Detail

I put obituaries in a note field and create a source to describe where is was published.

[Junior Waldo]

Re: Space for Source Citation Detail

I would create a new source of the type Website and place the date (Jun 8th 2016) into the Date field of the source, "The Economist" into the Author field (since there's no specific author mentioned for the obituary I'd just attribute it to the publisher), "Obituary: Muhammad Ali, heavyweight boxer" into the Title field, and the rest of the text that you want into the Free-Form Text field.

I would also use the features of my web browser to create a PDF of the article (since I use Safari, I'd switch to the reader view for this) via File -> Print... , PDF -> Save As PDF... and attach the resulting PDF to the source via the Multimedia tab. In this case I wouldn't make use of the Citation Detail field.

But note, that's just how I would do it - there are other ways to go about it, such as what Michael suggested.

HTH

Mark
What I'm doing is including this as a "note" but seems to me this is important information that should be in the most logical place in my genealogy program. This certificate clears up information not available elsewhere for several people and needs to be included as needed. Nothing in it that I want to leave out or abbreviate. Don't want complicated solutions. I think I am basically accomplishing what Michael suggests but not sure I understand how to do it exactly as he suggests.
Junior
Marriage Records:
France, Aquitaine, Geronde, Bordeaux, 4th Division, 2nd Section, Marriage No. 82, marriage certificate citing marriage between Alexandre Antoine Bidault and Marie Louise Gibert on February 17, 1869, Alexandre Antoine Bidault son of Antoine Alexandre Bidault and Marie Désirée Gibert, Marie Louise Gibert daughter of Louis Gibert and Marie Peyranne, original certificate privately held by xyz, Raleigh, NC, May 31, 2016, French to English translation assistance by yxz at abc Languages Inc., 5413 Fayetteville Road, Raleigh, North Carolina 27603, May 27, 2016.

[macRBC]

Re: Space for Source Citation Detail

IMHO, the place for details of a source is its citation DETAIL. Sounds very strange that Reunion would limit the character length.

1 DEAT
2 DATE 01 Jan 2016
2 PLAC Washington, DC, USA
2 SOUR @S1@ << GEDCOM SOUR*
3 DATA
4 TEXT 03 Jan 2016 Obituary
2 CONT Tom Brown died peacefully in his sleep....... >>> CITATION DETAIL OF UNLIMITED LENGTH

* SOUR (not exact) THIS CAN BE USED FOR ANYONE"S OBITUARY THAT APPEARS IN THE WASHINGTON POST Whereas the Citation Details is specific to the individual that died.

1 TITL Obituaries
1 PUBL The Washington Post
1 CALN Obituaries & Death Notices
1 REPO @S7@

[Michael Talibard]

Re: Space for Source Citation Detail

Junior - in view of your French marriage example, you may be interested in the attached images, showing a brief extract from my Sources list, and an example. I download images from the official French website (very good!) and process them in Pixelmator, i.e. straighten, trim, adjust contrast and add my own translation. By the way, as it appears on my screen, the document image is large enough to be more legible than what you see here!

[Dennis J. Cunniff]

Re: Space for Source Citation Detail

THIS CAN BE USED FOR ANYONE"S OBITUARY THAT APPEARS IN THE WASHINGTON POST Whereas the Citation Details is specific to the individual that died.

1 TITL Obituaries
1 PUBL The Washington Post
1 CALN Obituaries & Death Notices
1 REPO @S7@

In this case, the detail is: 3 January 2016, page x, column y.
That's a complete citation.

The text of a source is not part of the citation. It's valuable to have, since it saves having to track the source down, but a citation it's not.

If instead of *citing* your source, you want to *include* the text of your source, you can place a pdf of it in the person's multimedia, or you can change from citing all the editions of The Washington Post as if it were a single source, and include the specifics (date, page, and column) in your citation, and attach the pdf to that source.

[Michael Talibard]

Re: Space for Source Citation Detail

... you can change from citing all the editions of The Washington Post as if it were a single source, and include the specifics (date, page, and column) in your citation, and attach the pdf to that source.

That is certainly what I would recommend.

[Junior Waldo]

Re: Space for Source Citation Detail

Michael
In the Washington Post example I would have one source for Washington Post and put the rest in detail field as suggested. In my case of the marriage certificate the "source" is Marriage Records and I want to put all the rest in detail field but can't. I really like your example of French document with translation below. Very neat, thorough, and makes it very clear what the source is and where it comes from. My hang up (and I guess I need to get over it) is not wanting to use multimedia. I only use it for pictures and am very careful with that folder. In times past if a picture was moved it would not show but now I think that problem is solved as long as picture is kept on this computer?
Thanks for your input and the tip about Pixelmator which I will investigate. I guess I could do same thing using photoshop but would be interested in you thought about that.
Thanks, Junior

[kmgenealogy]

Re: Space for Source Citation Detail

I put obituaries in a note field and create a source to describe where is was published.

This is what I also do. My sources are set up as the general place where I found the obituary, i.e. Type-Web Site > Data-GenealogyBank.com (and any other general pertinent data) > Detail-Person's name as in the obituary, type of article (Obituary), Name of newspaper, date of newspaper, page and column numbers. If I have a PDF of the newspaper page, I indicate where it is located on my computer.

(Source Citations) 428-GenealogyBank.com, http://www.genealogybank.com, 30 Jul 2010-started membership - (Detail) Charles F. Angel-Obituary-Oregonian (Portland, Oregon), 29 Jun 1964, pg 23, col 2. Full page PDF of obituary located in Charles Frederick Angel Family History folder.

This way, I can use one source many times. So far, I have not been adding media to my sources.

Hope this is helpful,
Kaye

[Michael Talibard]

Re: Space for Source Citation Detail

Junior - with great respect, could it be that you are trying to force the software into a new mould? Citation detail was never designed to hold all that stuff you want to put there (by the way, I don’t often find I need to use it). And there is no reason to avoid the splendid feature that is Multimedia, either attached to persons, or as is relevant here, to sources. Sounds in your latest post as if you see that. Re Pixelmator, yes, you could do the same thing with Photoshop.

[Michael Talibard]

Re: Space for Source Citation Detail

… This way, I can use one source many times. So far, I have not been adding media to my sources.

Well, this is an old chestnut, a familiar debate in these columns. Kaye, your approach is recommendable to people who for some reason want a minimum number of sources, and who don't want to add media to them. But I can't think of any reason why one would NOT want an image of, say, a marriage registration or a page of a census - except perhaps that there's a little extra work involved. I always add them.