Names that have a single quote do not show up in People list or are searchable.

[Blaise A. Darveaux]

I searched for the last name L'Heureux in the right hand People list and found nothing. In fact there are over 3,000 of them in the file. When I scrolled down in the people list, all I found was Lheureux, without the quote. And yet, the quote is still there when you go to the Family view. The screen shot shows that searching shows nothing, even though, there are two of them in the Family view.

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Does anyone have any ideas why this is? Something in settings that makes it ignore single quotes? Did curly quotes get replaced with straight quotes, or vise-versa?

I have rebuilt caches to no avail. In fact, I did so a couple weeks ago which may coincide with this observed phenomenon.

[theKiwi]

Are they curly/smart quotes, and you're searching for a ' straight quote? Or vice versa?

Roger

[Blaise A. Darveaux]

I will check that again. I am not sure I can see the difference between the two on the screen, nor do I know what keys to use to get one or the other. But that wouldn't explain why they are missing from the list on the right (when you scroll to the very large L'Heureux section) when they show up in Family View. Even if the two that are seen in the screen shot are the only ones in the file, they should be found in the right hand list.

[BarryAbrahamsen]

I proofread books in languages other than English, so I keep this taped to the bottom of my screen:

[BarryAbrahamsen]

I proofread books in lanugages other than English, so I keep tis pasted to my iMac.

[BarryAbrahamsen]

Well that didn't work. I guess some of the special characters mess up the ReunionTalk window.

[bbousquet]

I will check that again. I am not sure I can see the difference between the two on the screen, nor do I know what keys to use to get one or the other. But that wouldn't explain why they are missing from the list on the right (when you scroll to the very large L'Heureux section) when they show up in Family View. Even if the two that are seen in the screen shot are the only ones in the file, they should be found in the right hand list.

I think this is because Reunion interprets them as particles when the letters before the apostrophe are less than an established length. It does the same for "de", "de la" or the Dutch "van" and "van der". I come across that issue regularly as well. Workaround: search for "heureux" and they'll show up (but I'd love to find how to disable this).

[Blaise A. Darveaux]

I think this is because Reunion interprets them as particles when the letters before the apostrophe are less than an established length. It does the same for "de", "de la" or the Dutch "van" and "van der". I come across that issue regularly as well. Workaround: search for "heureux" and they'll show up (but I'd love to find how to disable this).

Nope. When I search for heureux I get "No people found". AND I just discovered this anomaly is occurring on my phone searching also, so it is in the file that is being shared. To get the thousands of L'Heureux's to show up in a search, I search for LHeureux. And like I said above, when I scroll down in the right hand list to where the L'Heureux's should be, all I see is LHEUREUX. Yet the single quote shows in the family view.

I have a few names that have the particles like De Foe and De La Boublier, but they still show as that in the lists. At this point I have no way of searching for a name that has a single quote because single quotes have been stripped from the names in the list, but not from those same people when viewed in the Family View.

Anybody that has names with a single quote should make a copy of their family file, rebuild caches in the copy, then see if the names in the right hand list of people still have the quotes. Yes or no would help Leister track this bug.

[Blaise A. Darveaux]

Well that didn't work. I guess some of the special characters mess up the ReunionTalk window.

Thanks for this, but this is not an accented character. I work a lot with accented characters, being half my ancestry comes from Quebec. Ha, ha, you are right though. This forum does not play nicely with accented characters. Quebec should have an accented e but I tried it twice and the forum software stripped out everything from that character to the end of the post when saved. Sheesh....

[Deb]

Does anyone have any ideas why this is? Something in settings that makes it ignore single quotes? Did curly quotes get replaced with straight quotes, or vise-versa?

Below is a quote from the Reunion manual with regard to searching...

Do not use quotes (single or double), apostrophes, or other punctuation marks in the search box — except for the comma that separates last name from first name.
For example, if you have a person named "d'Orleans" just type "dorleans" in the search box...

I hope you find this helpful

[Blaise A. Darveaux]

Below is a quote from the Reunion manual with regard to searching...

Do not use quotes (single or double), apostrophes, or other punctuation marks in the search box

I hope you find this helpful

Debbie, Thank you for pointing this out. However...

There is a difference between marks that the find feature IGNORES (which is great) and marks that the find feature CANNOT tolerate. When I try to find L'Heureux it doesn't ignore the quote mark, the find feature simple stops working, so nothing is found.

Also, could you tell us what other punctuation marks the find feature cannot tolerate. That would be good knowledge for people to have. I do know that it will find names with dashes so dashes are neither ignored or disallowed. But, it will not find ALL names with a dash (put just a dash in the search line and you get nothing so you have to know what name(s) have the dash in order to find that dashed name(s)) which, kind of, makes searching for it moot.

Also, I would like to know if the "Find Possible Duplicates" search ignores or doesn't tolerate quotes. With over 90,000 people in my file, I rely heavily on the Possible Duplicates Match feature to reduce the number of people that are duplicated in the file. And if I enter a L'Heureux name, I would like to know if it ignores the quote or if the search is ineffectual, thus, duplicating that person unnecessarily.

Thanks,

Blaise

[bbousquet]

Debbie, Thank you for pointing this out. However...

There is a difference between marks that the find feature IGNORES (which is great) and marks that the find feature CANNOT tolerate. When I try to find L'Heureux it doesn't ignore the quote mark, the find feature simple stops working, so nothing is found.

Also, could you tell us what other punctuation marks the find feature cannot tolerate. That would be good knowledge for people to have. I do know that it will find names with dashes so dashes are neither ignored or disallowed. But, it will not find ALL names with a dash (put just a dash in the search line and you get nothing so you have to know what name(s) have the dash in order to find that dashed name(s)) which, kind of, makes searching for it moot.

Also, I would like to know if the "Find Possible Duplicates" search ignores or doesn't tolerate quotes. With over 90,000 people in my file, I rely heavily on the Possible Duplicates Match feature to reduce the number of people that are duplicated in the file. And if I enter a L'Heureux name, I would like to know if it ignores the quote or if the search is ineffectual, thus, duplicating that person unnecessarily.

Thanks,

Blaise

Somewhat off-topic but I always found it amusing how Lereau evolved into L'Heureux. My all-time favorite is the Boivin who emigrated to the US and changed his name to Drinkwine (true story).

I do totally agree with you however on having access to the list of ignored characters.

[Deb]

There is a difference between marks that the find feature IGNORES (which is great) and marks that the find feature CANNOT tolerate. When I try to find L'Heureux it doesn't ignore the quote mark, the find feature simple stops working, so nothing is found.

This is how it is intended to work. When searching for names, do "not" enter any character other than letters or the comma which goes between the last name and first name or the hyphen (little dash) within a name or entered before a surname (when searching for married names) into the search box.

Also, could you tell us what other punctuation marks the find feature cannot tolerate. That would be good knowledge for people to have. I do know that it will find names with dashes so dashes are neither ignored or disallowed. But, it will not find ALL names with a dash (put just a dash in the search line and you get nothing so you have to know what name(s) have the dash in order to find that dashed name(s)) which, kind of, makes searching for it moot.

I believe you are seeing what you are with entering only a little dash/hyphen because entering the that character as the first character in the search box was intended to be used for searching for married names (as described above). And, it requires having a surname afterward.

Also, I would like to know if the "Find Possible Duplicates" search ignores or doesn't tolerate quotes. With over 90,000 people in my file, I rely heavily on the Possible Duplicates Match feature to reduce the number of people that are duplicated in the file. And if I enter a L'Heureux name, I would like to know if it ignores the quote or if the search is ineffectual, thus, duplicating that person unnecessarily.

Thanks for reporting this. We will check into it further when using Reunion's Match & Merge People feature.

Incidentally, I have found the feature which checks for duplicates as names are being entered does work for people who have the single quote in their surname. If this feature is not currently enabled for your family file, it can be enabled by choosing Reunion -> Settings and clicking on General. Then, check the box to enable "Check for duplicates when adding new people."

[bmohr]

This is how it is intended to work. When searching for names, do "not" enter any character other than letters or the comma which goes between the last name and first name or the hyphen (little dash) within a name or entered before a surname (when searching for married names) into the search box.

I understand this is the intended behavior, but I'm not sure I understand why. If non-letter-characters aren't allowed in the search field, why are we allowed to type them there? And why can't Reunion just silently strip them out? Or at least indicate with an icon or something that the current search string won't work. I guess it would make sense if punctuation served some other purpose, as enclosing quotes do on web search engines, but other than comma and leading-dash, that's not the case.

Personally, I think the most useful behavior would be to search broadly if the search string does not include "special characters," but search more narrowly if it does. So searching for L'Heureux would only find L'Heureux, but searching for lheureux would find both L'Heureux and Lheureux. Similarly, searching for sake would also find instances where that final "e" has an accent, but searching with the accent would not find the unaccented version.

[Deb]

..Personally, I think the most useful behavior would be to search broadly if the search string does not include "special characters," but search more narrowly if it does. So searching for L'Heureux would only find L'Heureux, but searching for lheureux would find both L'Heureux and Lheureux. Similarly, searching for sake would also find instances where that final "e" has an accent, but searching with the accent would not find the unaccented version...

Thanks for your feedback. I will add your request to our wish list to be considered in a future upgrade of Reunion. As with all feature requests, I cannot make any promises as to when or if it will be implemented. But, I can promise it will be considered as we work to improve Reunion